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It’s hard to shake the idea that Game Of Thrones, the show, doesn’t see a problem with pushing a scene from complicated, consensual sex to outright rape. It would be easier to accept that idea if it were clear what the show was trying to do with those changes. Rape is a tricky thing to use as character development, for either the victim or the rapist; doing it twice raises a lot of red flags. It assumes that rape between characters doesn’t fundamentally change the rest of their story—and it assumes that the difference between consent and rape is, to use the parlance, a “blurred line.”
Unfortunately, the show is wrong, on both counts. Changing a scene from consensual sex to rape is not just a pedantic issue of accuracy—it’s a problem with story. The Daenerys Targaryen who falls in love with a man who granted her respect when no one else would is different from the Daenerys Targaryen who fell in love with her rapist. It changes that relationship. (Dany falling in love with Drogo, and calling him her “sun and stars,” makes a whole lot more sense now, doesn’t it?)
Similarly, Jaime is a figure of chivalric love in the books—despite his arrogance and ruthlessness, his devotion and sense of duty to Cersei, the only woman he has ever loved, is so fervent as to border on adoration. Admittedly, the show can’t rely on his point-of-view chapters, as the book does, to communicate that love. But given what we have seen Cersei Lannister capable of—her ex-husband is hardly the only man she’s had killed—is it even conceivable that she would stand for it? Jaime raping Cersei is a major anomaly for these two characters—even based purely on what we’ve seen in the show. It’s just not something that either character would do.
Reblogging because relevant. And because I’m glad I’m not the only one who had a huge problem with this scene.
I’m still OK with the she was thirteen, it was still rape, and I am OK with the show making that clearer because the relationship was still fucked up and TV audiences might not realise that with an older actor if it had looked consensual (which seems to have been correct for some book readers as well). It worked for me because Dany was bought and sold and Drogo didn’t really show her a lot of respect. Their love comes from when she siezes power in their relationship, and he respects THAT, and from the fact that she was a young girl in a very fucked up situation, and young girls in fucked up situations can become fucked up. Glossing over everything that’s icky in that relationship to insist that declarations of love can only happen in healthy relationships is a serious problem. I think it’s important for an audience to be sometimes presented with fucked up relationships, and to be able to recognise that the relationship is fucked up, even if the characters do not. Because that happens in real life. People do love, or think they are in love with, their abusers. And an important role of fiction is giving people perspective on that kind of thing by reflecting it back as something happening to someone else.
But the Jaime/Cersei points are important. That shit made no sense on TV, was not in accord with the character arcs of the books, and seems to have gone unnoticed by the characters.
I’ve lost the post, but apparently the show-runner actually didn’t think he had depicted rape, because Cersei gets off on being forced. I fully believe that Jaime and Cersei might have play that involves acting out rape, but that is not what I saw on screen. There were no safety words, and if Cersei was meant to be acting like she was turned on, I don’t think Lena Headey got the memo. What we were seeing was a male director thinking that a woman can protest like that and secretly want it, and that if she enjoys the rape on any level it makes it OK.
And THAT is fucked up.
sorry I had to
GoT Fandom (via thegoddessofthorns)
THIS X TEN MILLION.
The scene, which does not go down this way in George R. R. Martin’s original books, is supremely disturbing all on its own, but the episode’s director Alex Graves made things even worse by stating that it was not rape. Graves said in interview with Alan Sepinwall that although Cersei Lannister spends literally the entire scene resisting her brother, the sex “becomes consensual by the end because anything for them ultimately results in a turn-on, especially a power struggle.” In other words, Graves thinks pinning a woman down and having sex with her as she kicks, claws and repeatedly, unequivocally says “no” is not rape.
Are you kidding me? You don’t just get to force someone to have sex with you until they get so “turned on” that they relent and then call it consensual. Besides, the victim knew the perpetrator, had previous relationship with him and did not scream? This is literally the most common type of rape there is.
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I was SO pissed off about this.
I mean, there is SO much non-consensual sex in the books, and you had to turn a scene of consensual sex into rape, and now you’re saying it’s not even rape. I’m really angry about this, because, for the most part, the TV show has done a lot better than the books for feminist issues.
In the books, Jaime and Cersei have sex in the Sept, it’s true. And at first Cersei says ‘Don’t dude, I have my period’ and then Jaime says ‘I don’t care’, and they do it anyway, because they’re kinky and they like being transgressive and doing it in the church when she’s on the blob is double-transgressive (oh, wait, shit, I forgot that incest is transgressive for a moment - lol, tripple-transgressive). But Cersei is clearly consenting, her moment’s hesitation is because she thinks he’ll be ‘ew - blood’, and he’s like ‘lol, no, I’m into “ew”, remember?’.
But I guess Game of Thrones thought the blood bit was too ‘ew’ for them, but rape was not??? We don’t want to see or even hear about a woman’s natural bodily functions on TV (it’s not like you’d have to show it: we don’t bleed that much, and it’s not like you were going to give full-frontal on the bloody peen, unlike the lady-full-frontal we see plenty off this ep, again) but adding extra rape is not considered as gross as that? Cannibals slaughtering happy families near the wall in bloody gore is not as gross as what women do every month???
And now you’re telling me you don’t even think it was really rape?
This is not my disappointed face. This is my outraged-betrayed-furious face.
And all of this is before we get to the fact that it completely screws with Jaime’s redemptive story arc. Which, by the way, I do really fucking care about, because I can’t ship Brienne with a rapist, that shit is not OK. And I since they are ramping up the romance between my ship more than the books, they better be thinking about this. And if what they are thinking is that ‘Yeah, but he’d never do that to Brienne, it’s only because Cersei’s a bitch’ THAT IS FUCKING WELL NOT OK.
So, that’s what I think about that.
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau with no shirt. Because reasons.